Thursday, February 7, 2008

Ségo at the Kennedy School

Ségolène Royal spoke at Harvard's Kennedy School tonight on the theme of "Reforming the Left in order to Reform the Economy." There were elements of the program she outlined that could easily be interchanged with elements of Sarkozy's. For instance, she said that thriving economies are economies with high rates of job destruction and job creation and that a modern labor-market policy had to accommodate the need for high rates of flow from job to job by assisting workers in job search, offering continuing education, etc. The similarity may have something to do with the fact that Royal met yesterday with Olivier Blanchard, who advises Sarkozy and was the author, along with Jean Tirole, of the report on which Sarkozy's labor-market reforms are based. She also cited Amartya Sen, another Sarkozy advisor with whom she also met this week, on the importance of fostering the "capabilities" of workers to adapt to a flexible economy.

On university reform, she said that the key was a new mode of governance combined with increased funding. I'm not sure that she used the word "autonomy," but the new mode of governance seemed to be another way of saying the same thing. In response to a question, she said that she was impressed by what she had seen in American universities and heard from students at Harvard and MIT, including the flexibility that Harvard allows students to "shop" for courses in the first two weeks of the term and the usefulness of closer ties between academia and industrial R&D. She also mentioned the practice of students "grading" professors in the United States, which she said would be unthinkable in France in the short term but offered interesting possibilities. One could easily imagine Valérie Pécresse making the same points.

On the other hand, there were some sharp differences with Sarkozy. For example, she singled out for special criticism his eagerness to sell nuclear power plants abroad. She unequivocally rejected that idea.

She also attacked Sarkozy for failing to be truthful during the campaign about what kinds of reform were possible rather than merely desirable. In particular, she mentioned his promise to raise the minimum old-age benefit by 25 percent, whereas she had maintained that no more than 5 percent was possible. The increase announced yesterday was in fact only 1 percent. But in fairness to Sarkozy, it should be noted that he maintains his intention to raise the minimum gradually to 25 percent above the current level within five years. And since Royal has acknowledged that she campaigned on a Socialist platform calling for an increase in the minimum wage to 1500 euros even though she didn't believe this was possible, I'm not sure that she can claim any clearcut advantage over Sarkozy in this respect. Nevertheless, her point that lack of truthfulness alienates citizens from government and ultimately undermines democracy is surely worth honoring in the breach, given that the observance quite frequently proves elusive.

The forum once again highlighted the challenges that a politician faces. The first question from the audience called for a statement of Royal's position on the demand of Puerto Ricans to be granted the right to vote in US elections--not a matter likely to have been given much thought by la présidente de Poitou-Charentes. Ségo maintained her poise admirably and continued to smile while much of the audience groaned and scowled.

More on Ségo at Harvard here.

21 comments:

Sobrietas Esclarecetore said...

Hi!

Congratulations for your blog, it's very interesting to read!

Do you think Sego's talk was as disappointing as most people commented as they walked out? Was it her night of superficiality galore or is she just another faux socialiste? Everyone I talked to told me she was so very much superficial and were irked by Sego's consistent skirting to avoid addressing seminal issues rather than demonstrating any semblance of deeper understanding than that displayed by, say, politicians such as Dan Quayle.

As a Socialist, I couldn't help but think that I have never heard a fellow female politician who was so superficial that it made me feel so sorry for her! It made me feel very sad that she would come all the way to Harvard to place her reputation in serious peril.

And the response to the questions, how sad, don't you think? Her apparent indifference to loss of credibility by not addressing important questions about non-sovereign territories such as Quebec and Porto Rico, God, how disappointing particularly coming from someone born in Senegal!

I'd like to read your opinion on these matters. Will you write a follow-up blog commentary on how disappointing (or NOT, depending on your take) Sego's allocution was?

Yours,

Mireille Puigpelat Casals

Sobrietas Esclarecetore said...

Hi!

Congratulations for your blog, it's very interesting to read!

Do you think Sego's talk was as disappointing as most people commented as they walked out? Was it her night of superficiality galore or is she just another faux socialiste? Everyone I talked to told me she was so very much superficial and were irked by Sego's consistent skirting to avoid addressing seminal issues rather than demonstrating any semblance of deeper understanding than that displayed by, say, politicians such as Dan Quayle.

As a Socialist, I couldn't help but think that I have never heard a fellow female politician who was so superficial that it made me feel so sorry for her! It made me feel very sad that she would come all the way to Harvard to place her reputation in serious peril.

And the response to the questions, how sad, don't you think? Her apparent indifference to loss of credibility by not addressing important questions about non-sovereign territories such as Quebec and Porto Rico, God, how disappointing particularly coming from someone born in Senegal!

I'd like to read your opinion on these matters. Will you write a follow-up blog commentary on how disappointing (or NOT, depending on your take) Sego's allocution was?

Yours,

Mireille Puigpelat Casals

Arthur Goldhammer said...

Mireille,
I wouldn't say that SR is a faux socialiste, because I don't know a vrai socialiste is. Would Mitterrand qualify? I do think she is attempting to find a new configuration of the forces on the left in France, and given the depths of division in that part of the political spectrum, to do so will require some readjustment and jettisoning of old views of what a socialist could and could not support. I agree with you that she skirted many issues and remained on the surface. I disagree about her avoidance of questions about Puerto Rico and Quebec. These were issues she would need to study before taking a position, and it would have been rash indeed for her to have shouted out "Vive le Puerto Rico libre!" Only a de Gaulle could get away with such audacity, and de Gaulle's "Vive Québec libre!" was hardly his finest moment.

ZÉLIE said...

The problem, you see, is that she doesn't study
her followers were flabbergasted by her total imprecision about almost everything . She was elected
candidate only by people who paid only 20 euros (
called cheap adherents) who left immediately the
socialists after the election

Arthur Goldhammer said...

The "cheap adherents" or "le peuple de gauche"? As she pointed out, she won 60 percent of the primary vote in the party against two candidates who arguably "studied" the dossiers more than she did. Look, I'm not saying that her mastery of, say, economics is as impressive as Strauss-Kahn's (who is the candidate I would have supported, by the way). I AM saying that she had and continues to have other qualities, including a remarkable ability to appeal to some voters, which both of them lacked. To be sure, there were many times in the campaign when I wished she had been clearer about her policies. But phrases like "total imprecision" seem to me wide of the mark. When it comes to ignorance of economics, Royal has plenty of competitors in the French political class.

ZÉLIE said...

Franco-americaine, je vis en France depuis 10 ans. Vous n'avez pas suivi l'élection qui a été longue et cauchemardesque Le peuple de gauche
comme vous dites a plié armes et bagages pour rejoindre son Sarko, quant aux électeurs au rabais
ils n'ont pas renouvelé leur adhésion. Femme de gauche j'ai suivi le mouvement sans regret . Aux US Hillary Clinton et obama me ravissent, en suivant
leur campagne j'ai beaucoup moins d'angoisse

Arthur Goldhammer said...

Chère Zélie,
J'ai suivi les élections de très près, je vous assure, et avec 47 pct du vote, je ne vois pas comment vous pouvez dire que la gauche toute entière a déserté Royal. C'est un peu plus compliqué que ça, et si vous prenez la peine de lire mes remarques des semaines après l'élection, toujours disponibles dans les archives du blog, vous verrez ce que je pense. Je comprends que vous n'aimez pas Ségolène et que vous aimez Hillary, mais d'autres Démocrates américaines diraient des choses aussi peu flatteuses pour Hillary que les vôtres le sont pour Ségolène. Je comprends votre opinion, mais je vous prie de ne pas confondre votre jugement avec la vérité absolue et de ne pas supposer que j'ignore les tenants et les aboutissants du champ politique français.

m&m said...

Dear Mr. Goldhammer,

I think what's most interesting is that, in a sense, Ségolène Royal did have her "Vive le Puerto Rico libre!". She said, if the Socialist International (SI) does support Porto Rico independence, then I support Puerto Rico Independence.

I looked it up and, sure enough, the Socialist International has a long history of supporting Porto Rico independence. So, for better or worse, Sego did have her "Vive Québec libre!", only that apparently Ségolène Royal did it out of adherence to the Socialist International (SI) rather than de Gaulle's interest-driven and/or conviction-driven allocution.

So, why do you think Ségolène Royal willing to go out on a whim for Porto Rico's independence (conditioned on the fact that the SI continues to provide the decades-old support it apparently has offered that cause), while at the same time she was shying away from Québec's pro-sovereignty cause?

These are interesting matters, and I don't know if it was coincidental that the first question hinged on a topic about the Internationale socialiste
(IS) and the Parti socialiste's adherence to that powerfull international organization.

Did you see how chategorical Royal was when she said something to the effects of "If the Internationale socialiste supports Porto Rico independence, then I support Porto Rico independence"?

Wow. I wonder if Sarko's press willl have a field day remarking that Sego would not stop to mull over typical Right-Center slogans such as "France national interest should come before International Organizations such as the IS".

What's your take on what ended up being Sego's "Vive Québec libre!" moment, entre vous et moi, Royal’s "Vive le Porto Rico libre!" exclamation?

Also, did you see the source I sent you? If you distrust the "projet d’encyclopédie libre" ... then here are other interesting sources:

http://www.socialistinternational.org/6Meetings/SICLAC/April06/Montevideores-e.html#4

http://www.independencia.net/topicos/panama/cpi_panama_nov06.html#ingls

http://www.elpais.com/articulo/internacional/ESTADOS_UNIDOS/PUERTO_RICO/INTERNACIONAL_SOCIALISTA/SOCIALISMO/Washington/protesta/apoyo/IS/independencia/Puerto/Rico/elpepiint/19830507elpepiint_16/Tes (This is from way back in 1983: translated headline from EL PAIS (one of Spain's most important newspapers) - "Washington Protests Socialist International's Support for Porto Rico's Independence".

m&m

Marie Luise dans Harvard said...

French Politics' Commentators,

Am I right to percieve a possible veneer of phobia about discussing issues that may not be part of our orthodox canon of what French Politics is or cannot be; is that so?

Why dismiss a legitimate question that was presented before Madame Royal, which she replied wonderfully well?

Why dismiss the Socialist international as not powerful when Madam Royal evidently showed, through her admirable deference, that she thinks highly of an institution that could prove vital to her plans to grow in the sphere of international legitimacy and consolidate herself as the principal PS leader as well as reformer of the country's Left?

Why present an implicit-open invitation to comment on the blog that is seemingly ignored if the dialogue that flows does not fit within a neat or restrictive picture of what French politics can be construed as or what it cannot fall under?

Shouldn't we be more welcoming of new people interested in these fascinating subjects rather than shutting them away or dismissing them in an apparently offhand or nonchalante manner?

We can point a new way in more tolerant blogging, can we not?

Is this is an opportunity we can risk casting off or should we not avoid risking a fall into the blunders associated with exclusive elitism that trounces the opportunites to engage courteously even if we disagree?

Should we cast our hopes in reforming the Left while we abandon any hope or conception of eschewing our own potential follies; the ball being in our court, shouldn't we amend our ways?

ZÉLIE said...

For god's sake the woman is a moron, not a socialist
nor a politicien

Bill said...

Ciao Arthur & ZÉLIE!

Can you explain this, is Ségolène Royal to be called a moron just because she supported Puerto Rico's independence in a calm and collected way rather than exclaiming "Vive le Puerto Rico libre"?

I don't think she's a moron just because she happened to talk about her support for this or any other honorable cause.

William

Edwin Vázquez de Jesús said...

Hello everybody. First of all it's Puerto Rico and not Porto Rico. It's Puerto Ricans and not Porto Ricans. The spelling without the letter u was invented by the Americans who could not pronounce the Spanish word for "Port" (i.e. "Rich Port").

Royal's support for Puerto Rican independence should come as no surprise to anyone who has a minimum of historical knowledge about American history. And France's support for Liberté, even if it had colonies that it eventually shed, is well documented. That is why arguing against Royal's support for Puerto Rican independence is an admission of historical ignorance. This because had it not been for France's support of American independence, with arms and French lives, America would still be a British colony.

Or do you think that the statue of liberty was built by the Americans?

Edwin Vázquez, Ph.D., Puerto Rican (puertorriqueño; edwinvazquez@hotmail.com)

ZÉLIE said...

She probably doesn't know anything about Puerto Rico

PeakVT said...

Puerto Rican independence is an issue that the French left worries about? That's hilarious.

Annick said...

@peakvt Hilarious, you are quite right! Ségolène Royal
and french haven't realize yet how ridiculous, they are

Anonymous said...

What about Lionel Jospin?

I believe that what you said may be incorrect, PeakVT.

If I am not mistaken, I think I read that former Prime Minister, Lionel Jospin, is one of many among French leftists that has energically supported and continues to support Puerto Rico independence.

Can someone -with closer ties to the inner circles within the PS (at least connections with one of the many inner-branches within the PS)- confirm this or refute this?

Merci!

Anonymous said...

Where did Goldhammer go, he could help sort out these interesting contributions which always could be better if there's a semblance of a moderator in the horizon.

Person interested in Fausta's Blog said...

Where art thou Art?

Anonymous said...

Mssr. A. Goldhammer - I am trying to find out if you and the other blogger saw this. I wrote to Missis Acosta, but I don't know if she seen the communication. Did you see the blog journalism item?

from ... "Ivonne Acosta Lespier ...
TRADUCCIÓN AL INGLÉS DE:
Ségolène Royal's Support of Puerto Rico's Independence Takes Harvard by Storm!

'That is the title of a comment submitted to my blog by a reader who identifies herself as Marie Luise dans Harvard. She appears to be a Frenchwoman in that university, although I do not know other details about her except that she read one of my books some twenty years ago in France. I suppose she is referring to La Mordaza since she refers to that term towards the end of her comment. Marie Luise first wrote to Edwin in his Cargas y descargas blog after seeing a French-language title on one of his posts. That is how she came to contact me, because Edwin includes a link to my blog. He had already written a very good comment in Arthur Goldhammer's blog, French Politics, which is where most of the debate revolving around what occurred at Harvard has taken place.

What happened? Ségolène Royal was visiting that prestigious university to participate in various seminars and she offered a conference at the John F. Kennedy School of Government on February 7, 2008. According to Dr. Goldhammer, the first question from the audience was a request of her position regarding "the demand of Puerto Ricans to be granted the right to vote in U.S. elections." Dr. Goldhammer was quite right to comment that this is probably not a subject to which the French dignitary has devoted much thought. Nevertheless, Dr. Goldhammer states that Ségolène Royal maintained her smile despite the public uproar that continued long after she answered the question.

Ségolène Royal's reply opened a true Pandora's box and the debate that ensued has affected many, Marie Luise included, because she does not understand what all the fuss is about. The unsuccessful candidate in the past election - against the favorite of the United States government, Nicolas Sarkozy - answered the question by saying that as long as the International Socialist (to which France's Socialist Party - le Parti socialiste - is affiliated) supports independence for Puerto Rico, she will also support it.

According to Marie Luise, some were scandalized because "U.S. democratic values" had been questioned in the "sanctuary" of the American political academy [Harvard University's John F. Kennedy School of Government] by raising a controversial issue such as Puerto Rico in the presence of a foreign dignitary such as Segolene Royale. Some were even more indignant because of her answer in support of independence for Puerto Rico.

Marie Luise asks me to participate in the discussion so I may explain why it is legitimate for French politicians to request the independence of the various territories held by the United States if the United States continues to abdicate its responsibility to resolve its colonial problem, as France was forced to do. She thinks there are plenty of reasons why Puerto Rico should be debated at Harvard and that nobody should try to silence those who demand independence from the United States. Finally, she asks me whether mademoiselle Royal has the right to talk about this subject at Harvard.

First of all, Ségolène Royal has all the rights in the world to talk about this and any other political subject matter in a forum such as the John F. Kennedy School of Government, where freedom of expression is supposed to reign precisely so these types of thorny issues may be discussed.

Second, Ségolène Royal answered in the most honest and least compromising way possible. One must consider that Mlle. Royal is surely going to once again run for president in France as the socialist candidate. She cannot alienate anyone. In that context, Puerto Rico is a subject of little importance and we cannot expect otherwise.

Third, as a French woman, Ségolène Royal has all the right to talk about Puerto Rico. Those who know our history remember that in the early 19th century the island saw the arrival of thousands of French settlers who came because of the Spanish government's Real Cédula de Gracias. Many Puerto Ricans today have French surnames as a result. But there is one more detail. In the last English attack on Puerto Rico, in 1797, a substantial group of French residents joined the battle at Fortín San Jerónimo (Fort Saint Jerome) and helped defeat the most powerful imperial fleet in the world at that time.

After writing the above, it occurred to me to find out who put forth the famous question at Harvard in the first place, and I found out it was a Puerto Rican graduate student at Harvard. His name is Hans Perl-Matanzo and I was able to contact him so that he could offer his version of the events. It wasn't what Dr. Arthur Goldhammer described in his prestigious blog. What follows is the account provided by Hans Perl-Matanzo:

“I asked Mlle. Ségolène Royal whether she supports independence for Puerto Rico, which is a position adopted by the Socialist International (SI).

My question, grosso modo, was based on the following introductory premise:

In succinct terms, I started out by informing Ségolène Royal about some characteristics about the United States and Puerto Rico that are important factors in defining the respective political systems operating in both of these nations. I told her that – to the best of my knowledge – France is a country where all citizens are allowed to vote. On the other hand, I explained that not all United States citizens are allowed to vote. I then proceeded to indicate that the approximately four million U.S. citizens residing in Unitedstatesean (U.S.) territories are not allowed to vote in the elections that select the Executive and Legislative branches of the national government that holds ultimate power over them. Then I remarked that Puerto Rico is one of the principle territories of the United States in which that system continues to operate. To wrap-up this introductory remarks, I told her that I believe that her political party – the Socialist Party – is affiliated to the Socialist International, an organization which supports national independence for Puerto Rico.

Finally, I asked Ségolène Royal something along the lines of what follows below:

Is it the case that Ségolène Royal supports independence for Puerto Rico - the same position adopted by the Socialist International – or do you have another opinion on this subject?

In synthesis, Ségolène Royal responded that she did not know what is the position of the Socialist International on the prospect of Puerto Rico independence. Nevertheless, Ségolène Royal stated that if the Socialist International supports that stance, then she also adopts the same position in favor of independence for Puerto Rico. I thought that what I explained would possibly get Ségolène Royal to call to mind some of the sharp contrasts that distinguish the history and structure of both colonial powers, France and the United States. I hoped that by evoking these differences she would feel more comfortable to engage in a more in-depth response to my question and possibly speak about the collapse of the French colonial government in Algeria during the incipient years of France’s Fifth Republic (circa 1958 to 1962).

I thought that, among other possibilities, this might afford Ségolène Royal with the opportunity to broach and discuss the difficulties and failures that are often confronted by counties such as France, when they attempt to absorb and assimilate another nation albeit adopting the paradigm of a republican model within a nominally-democratic political system. These governments often claim legitimacy by postulating a legal fiction to the effect that all the citizenry enjoys the same formal prerogatives in what pertains to political rights such as voting and equal protection under the law.

Anticipating that she would not necessarily know all the complexities about the case of Puerto Rico, I underscored that our country —Puerto Rico— has not been incorporated into the electoral “body politic” of the United States.

In sum, wherever there is a “Boricua” (Puerto Rican), he or she will ask about the ever-present problem of Puerto Rico’s political status or legal regime. Thus, any person invited to give a conference in United States universities is well advised to familiarize him or herself with Puerto Rico’s condition. After all, Puerto Rico continues to be a colony of the United States'."

-MrtnzSlna

jc durbant said...

Just imagine Hillary Clinton, at a debate at France’s Sciences-Po, voicing her support for the independence of Nouvelle-Caledonie or French Polynesia …

http://jcdurbant.blog.lemonde.fr/2008/03/14/segolene-royal-attention-une-independance-peut-en-cacher-bien-d%e2%80%99autres-segolene-goes-to-harvard%e2%80%a6-and-calls-for-puerto-rico%e2%80%99s-independence/

Anonymous said...

Mr. G,

Why did S. Royal have the courage to do this in the United States?

Isn't she a more cautious, Obama-like, candidate?

Hmm, I am stumped on her unusual valiant stance on this issue.

http://desahogoboricua.blogspot.com/2008_02_01_archive.html