Thursday, May 19, 2011

Brutal Justice?

Frank Browning in Dissent:


What my French friends also seem not to notice is how the European Court of Human Rights, and even France’s Constitutional Council, have denounced France’s own version of pretrial holding procedure: the so-called garde à vue jails. As an example, one friend, himself a high civil servant, found himself thrown into a garde à vue tank, stripped naked, and held for forty-eight hours without access to a lawyer on the strength of a letter of denunciation for personal verbal harassment. The French police say access to a lawyer “would hinder the search for the truth.”

5 comments:

Anonymous said...

According to Cambadelis, all of France was waiting with baited breath, then jumped with joy. No, he's NOT being sarcastic.
http://www.cambadelis.net/2011/05/19/une-premiere-eclaircie/

Cincinna said...

Just like the reaction among certain groups when OJ got away with the cold blooded murder of two people, or when some English fools in pubs rejoiced when British Nanny Louise Woodward was freed by a Massachussetts judge AFTER being found guilty by a Jury of murdering an infant.
Same lawyers! Maybe DSK should switch teams.

Louis said...

As a long-haired "lycéen" with arab-looking friends and a taste for late-night concerts, I have been held in custody by French small-town policemen on some occasions. No "garde à vue", but just round-up and release, "extended checking" so to say. Then after that I did reporting for a student newspaper on illegal migrants and the police.

From what I have seen on these occasions, there is no reason whatsoever for anybody in France to take the moral high ground regarding the New York police system. Police brutality is something completely different than showing an unshaved suspect to the public. Police brutality is keeping someone naked in a cell for 24 hours without a lawyer, or fetching a family of illegal migrants at 6 am for immediate "return" to a country of which language their kids won't understand.

Anonymous said...

Or the fact that you can be stopeed, asked to show ID, and even searched in France, at any time, without an probably cause...

Anonymous said...

I think your item may be behind the times. As far as I know the code was recently amended and lawyers are now present from the outset.
http://www.actujuridique.com/index.php?2011/04/16/16-garde-a-vue-ce-qui-change