Tuesday, October 12, 2010

Record Participation

Participation in the latest round of anti-reform demonstrations was up. Strikes will continue tomorrow. Sarkozy's move.


Anonymous said...

Some of these numbers are so ridiculous that it's impossible to take them seriously. Look at Marseille - I know the Marseillais are known for exaggeration, but the unions are saying ten times as many as the police? Seriously?

And now it's teenagers who don't have any idea what the real issues are who are demonstrating, just because they can, and because the weather's nice.

I have to say, it's pretty sad that France has to go through this all the time. If the French put this much effort into things that were really important, just imagine what they could do.

Anonymous said...

@Anonymous: Actually, it looks like the police gave the real numbers and then Préfecture changed them. A police Union thus complains they're made to sound like fools with numbers such as those given officially:

I don't know whether teenagers really don't know. Some don't, and some sound like they do. I was watching TV and a kid was saying "My mom's a nurse, she's got to lift patients, she's hurt her back, I don't know how they expect her to do that for 20 more years"
The kids I met today weren't all that articulate but they had two points #1 if old people keep their jobs, that'll be even fewer jobs for them and there are almost no jobs left so they'll be unemployed until they're 30 #2 it's totally unfair to expect their parents and grandparents to work when they're already in pain because of their job.

Anonymous said...

The tide has turned: I was watching TF1 tonight and their segments were pretty sympathetic to the protesters. Now, usually, TF1 is pretty dismissive of protesters, so it's very significant.
They only produced ONE person against the strike and found a dozen in favor, each for their own reason. Nicolas Sarkozy or François Fillon weren't quoted for 10 minutes. Even the length of the news devoted to that single topic (about 20mn) indicates that things have shifted.
In all likelihood they polled their target audience and found support for the protests - enough that they'd lose chunks of money if they kept on with the unsympathetic reports or placing the protests as headline #4 (as @si was saying, "after the interview of a rape victim who has to live in the same building as her rapist" - actual example).
On the other hand, 69-71% French people (depending on poll) support the protests.
Le Figaro tried to resist by stating that retiring at age 60 is actually hazardous to one's health, and Roufiol stated he doubted that so many French people could support the protests.
Even on TF1, the teenagers sounded pretty articulate; Laurence Ferrari explained Luc Chatel had been summoned to Elysee.
-- his "marching can be dangerous" caused the "#ceciestunmessagedugouvernement" campaign to trend on Twitter!

Anonymous said...

Twilight Zone and children of the corn present:

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 2:

Interesting points, but foolish of those kids to think them. So let's say the people retire, the young people get jobs; who do they think pays for the retirees' pensions? The flying spaghetti monster? And do they really think it's up to them to decide whether older people get pushed out of work (some of whom don't wan to stop)? I think that's a specious argument. It's not getting people retired earlier that reduces unemployment; this has been tried for a long time in France, and it hasn't worked.

Second point, a nurse in pain. Ok, let them retire; they're disabled. But don't even pretend that everyone who is 60 is in pain. Specious argument number two.

Why are the French - those who work the shortest number of hours per year in the EU - in such pain? Why are they so tired that they can't work past 60? (Which is a crock anyway, because most _don't_ retire at 60.) There's some sort of collective hallucination going on around this - because the unions say they are too tired to work past 60, they think that's the case. Do they really have any idea who's going to pay for this?

As for the numbers, these numbers are _always_ divergant, and it's clear that if the police were always lying, the police unions would have said so a long, long time ago. Perhaps this is the case in Marseille today, though even that seems ludicrous; if they wanted to lie, they'd make a believable lie.

I find it pretty much impossible to think that 5% of the population was demonstrating today, which is what the unions' numbers say.

Anonymous said...

article in English detailing the Pension reform plan and its flaws