Monday, March 13, 2017

Hamon on L'Emission politique

I finally watched portions of Hamon's appearance on L'Emission politique. I thought he did well, particularly in his confrontations with the four policemen and with Laurent Wauquiez. Hamon is an excellent debater: concise, firm, pointed in his responses without being snide or impolite. I'm not convinced by his universal (actually quite a bit less than universal--up to 1.9 smic, with exceptions) basic income, 32-hour week, robot tax, or ecosocialist velleities. But he's firm on freedom of conscience and not one to mince words when telling the police that all is not well in their approach to dealing with minorities. I'd like to see him as minister of the interior. As a potential president, however, he's less convincing.


aaaron said...

By your account, Hamon is clearly intelligent, has new ideas and a strong moral compass with the ability to empathize with those unlike himself. He has also put together a strong team. Meanwhile, the other options are a racist, a man who wants to drastically cut the state damaging people's economic and social security while enriching himself from that same state, a neoliberal who refuses take a position in order to continue the current failed policies of Hollande, and an aggressive traditional socialist ready to fight all-comers (and everyone else). Given these options, you would still prefer to see Hamon be the minister of the interior?

FrédéricLN said...

As far as I'm concerned, I do ;-) "Francetv info vous propose de composer un gouvernement…" : le mien !

Anonymous said...

I like Hamon.i don't think he'll be elected but I find him courageous and with novel ideas. Just the fact he's trying to bring something different to the debate or to take into account the AI /cs+x revolution matters when it feels nothing's new been discussed in over ten years. I'd see him as a good president in a sixth republic where the president impulses ideas and direction.
I can't get over how all the bigwigs in his party won't support him, like they did in 2007, after promising they would asbper 'primaire ' rules. It's like, sure the rules apply, unlike we no longer like them. Or only to others, not us. During the 2012 campaign I'm sure the Hamon branch didn't like Hollande that much but still participated loyally. (Once Hollande was elected they started moving away, but they waited till after the elections.)
Many people on the left, not the extreme left that votes Poutou or Melenchon, regular ps/verts voters, keep bringing it up. One said in the legislatives she'd vote only for candidates who respected their primary promise. Another that the PS is dead, killed by Macron and the 'traitors ' who left the PS to support him in the hopes of saving their electoral seat. And of course they will, because Macron will win, but it's pitiful and disheartening to see they have no loyalty to their party or no respect for a declaration they signed. And so the PS will be dead, something most socialist voters around me agree on, as well as the Melenchonistes and the Macronistes who rub their hands in glee at the prospect.

나무와 벽돌 said...

You can tax on robots, all right. Just don't forget to skip Skynet when you do that. You don't want to piss him off.

brent said...

A few thoughts after watching Hamon's L'Emission politique gig:

1) Agree with Art: he is a sharp debater, and also quite an engaging personality.

2) His signature ideas--basic income, reduced work, robot tax--may not be workable as proposed, and the numbers are in any case too complex for us non-quants--but that's why we have legislatures, to turn big ideas into actual proposals.

3) What IS compelling is his core idea, that social organization as we know it is on the threshold of major changes, driven by technology, energy conversion, and the globalized economy, including its migratory populations.

4) in that light I wonder who is really the 'utopian' here: Hamon, who proposes sweeping (if still undefined) changes, or Macron, who expects us to believe we can tinker here and there with markets and labor rules and somehow muddle through the vast transformations that Hamon is prepared to address head-on?

In sum, Hamon strikes me as an unusual combination of visionary policy wonk and retail political negotiator (Cf his remarkable conversation with the police officers on L'emission politique). Macron by comparison combines 'Christic' pretension with Presto the Magician non-solutions. His quinquennat may make Hollande's look like a roaring success.

Tim said...

One thing I will point out and I say this as a Macron supporter is that one thing Macron and Trump do have in common is they are both "unnatural" candidates in their respective countries. The roots of globalism and internationalism are far far deeper in the US than they are in France. Thus with Trump's election you are seeing huge pushback towards as the US' antibodies against nationalism and fascism start to kick in(i.e. the courts, media, state and local govt etc) In France meanwhile Macron is very much running as an American style globalist/internationalist in a country where there is far less tradition of that. Now given Trump and Brexit there are definite benefits to the French people on the international stage from a Macron led France moving into some of the territory Trump led America is vacating. Nevertheless this is NOT the most "natural" thing for the French electorate to do.

Just in comparison while Paris and NYC might look similar Paris is still at heart a "French" city while NYC is much of an internationalist trading city and entrepot.

Anonymous said...

Valls, despite promising to do so, refuses to support Hamon.
I honestly think the PS won't survive such a betrayal.
We know Valls and Hamon don't agree but that was the while purpose of the primary election. Whoever lost had to support the winner. I didn't support either one but I don't like how Valls thinks rules don't apply to him. Like Fillon.
They say one thing 'I'll resign if I'm. Indicted ', ' I'll support the winner ' but have no compunction doing otherwise if it doesn't go their way. This is infuriating and one big reason why French people don't trust politicians. And apparently up until now this was considered party for the course but it seems not so much anymore.
And where's Montebourg? Crying over Aurelie Filipetti or what?

Anonymous said...

*WhOle purpose
* par for the course

Lapinot said...


I think the difference between now and 2012 is that then their candidate was the only choice to avoid an increasingly far-right President in Sarkozy (Le Pen was then usually polling at least 10% behind the two front runners so wasn't the issue she is today.) Even if you disagreed with Hollande, a vote for him was a vote utile.

But now the left (and everyone else up to the centre-right) is facing two far-right candidates, and a vote for Hamon could well see both of them reach the second round. If Juppé were the LR candidate I think there would be less of a push to support Macron. But as it is the vote utile would be for Macron.

And of course, apart from votes being useful, some of them seem genuinely closer to Macron's views than those of Hamon and are worried about where Hamon would lead the country.

In both cases I think it's reasonable to put the good of the country ahead of the good of your party.

Lapinot said...

Which isn't to deny that in some cases personal ambitions and resentments probably play their parts.

Anonymous said...

@Tim The roots of globalism and internationalism are far far deeper in the US than they are in France.

I am not sure what you mean by that. If you are talking about trade, France is or was until recently the 6th largest export economy in the world. And then there is--in no particular order---membership/leadership of the EU (a Franco-German creation) which is the very embodiment of globalism and internationalims. Shall I mentiona seat on the UN Security Council, one of the most extended diplomatic networks in the world....

Macron doesn't represent a break with the French tradition of globalism and internationalism. What a parochial and American thing to say. Just like Trump.

Anonymous said...

Went to a Hamon meeting. Lots of 'greens ' actually. Farmers, factory and steel workers, engineers, youth trying to get a small business going, nurses, teachers, retirees, social workers. I learned that the robots would not be taxed, but rather the value added they produce would be taxed the sale way as human produced added value. There were lots of factory workers who emphasized do not bashing robots, they lift for us, they carry stuff into the 600 degree area for us. They're 100% with the idea though - along the lines, 'we know better than you guys that robots can make life better but also that they can make us redundant'.